Are you a mum in need of a fashion makeover? Fashion can be a tool for self-expression and empowerment, especially after a significant life change like pregnancy. Find out how to elevate your fashion sense and harness the power of your wardrobe!
Pregnancy can be life-changing for most women, especially impacting how women look and feel about themselves! Nothing stays the same, whether it’s the body or lifestyle. How can we consciously navigate these changes while remaining true to our sense of style?
In the third episode of the latest season of Growing Pains, we chat with Biek Speijk, a wardrobe whisperer with over 20 years of experience in the fashion industry. She shares ways to make conscious fashion choices and elevate how you feel in your clothing post-pregnancy and beyond.
Discover some meaningful insights on finding out your own style, forging a better relationship with clothes, and more.
Time codes for key talking points in this podcast episode
00:00 – Welcome to Growing Pains
00:59 – What does a wardrobe whisperer do?
06:38 – The Style Personality Test
08:45 – What is a confident closet?
11:27 – How clothes can impact mental health?
13:40 – Should you follow style rules and dress according to your body type?
16:02 – Some thoughts on fast fashion
18: 01 – How to let go of harmful shopping habits?
20:06 – Using only 20% of your wardrobe
20:55 – Some info on Biekindle, turning beloved clothing into artwork
26:36 – Reflecting on the conversation
Featured voices
- Angela Neo, host of Growing Pains and mother of two.
- Sufyan Saad is a senior lifestyle writer at The Honeycombers. He was previously at HoneyKids Asia.
- Biek Speijk is a designer, wardrobe curator, and artist. She empowers conscious living through the lens of fashion – one wardrobe at a time. She endeavours to help women be the best version of themselves through the art of fashion. She runs Biekaleidescope and Biekindle. Follow her on Instagram.
Growing Pains is a modern parenting podcast where we tackle the constantly changing landscape of parenting in Singapore. This season, we dive deep into modern parenting challenges: navigating the digital age, teen mental health and more during our candid conversations with parents and experts on this Little Red Dot. Tune in now! Follow the show on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Full Transcript
Angela Neo
This episode’s a special one. We’re going to be talking fashion! But today, we won’t just be discussing trends and styles but how to have a meaningful relationship with the clothes you wear – particularly post-pregnancy.
Welcome to Growing Pains, a podcast by HoneyKids Asia that explores the challenges of modern parenting and provides a safe space for parents to navigate the ever-changing landscape of parenthood. My name is Ange, I’m a mum to two boys – Xavier, who’s 11 and Marcel, who’s nine. In this episode, we chat with Biek Speijk, a fashion designer turned wardrobe curator and mum of two. We’re going to learn how to feel confident in [our] clothes without having to spend $1,000.
Hi Biek, it’s so lovely to have you on the podcast. Thank you for joining us today. First up, it would be great to learn a little about you.
Biek Speijk
Thanks so much for having me. My name is Biek. I’m from the Netherlands and have been living in Singapore for about four years. I have a son who’s almost two, and I’m expecting a girl.
Angela Neo
Exciting.
Biek Speijk
So [they are] going to be two years apart. I have a long history in fashion. I’ve been in the fashion industry for over 20 years. I have seen all facets of the industry. I was very young when I worked in a clothing shop over the weekends. I’ve done fashion education for seven years at two different schools. I’ve worked internationally for brands and in showrooms, Paris Fashion Week, and [I’ve] been a designer for over ten years.
And now, I’m on a journey with my own business called Beikaleidoscope to help women feel confident in their clothes, raise awareness about fashion waste, and make art out of textile waste, to ensure that [clothing] lasts longer, that we choose quality, craftsmanship, and just celebrate the beauty of fashion.
Angela Neo
I also understand that you’re a wardrobe whisperer. Maybe tell us a little more about what that entails.
Biek Speijk
I’ve seen so much in the industry. I’ve worked at a very high level on small quantities of really nicely designed clothes. But I’ve also seen the other side and designed for fast fashion. On top of that, I’ve also worked in clothing shops. I’ve seen what clothes can do for women, after being part of the industry for so long and having made so many clothes that nobody needs, and [noticing] women on the street fiddling with their clothes and necklines while waiting for the bus or the MRT. That just made me sad because I’ve always designed with the intention of having clothes that [women] can have for a long time, taking good care of them.
I thought it is time for me to step out of the role as a designer and [to stop] being far away from the consumer. Instead, I dive deep, getting to know the woman, how she wants to feel, and what her clothes can do to express herself and make better choices. And I guess that’s where the ‘wardrobe whisperer’ comes from because I find it important to look at the woman and then make sure that she can express herself rather than the other way around.
Angela Neo
Oh, I love that. Now, on your website, it states your clothes should work for you, not the other way around. How can that be achieved?
Biek Speijk
That comes from what I call styling ‘from the inside out.’ So I think once you learn what you find important, how you want to feel, how you want to look, what your life looks like, then your clothes work for you, instead of the other way round following trends or following rules. That answers the question.
Angela Neo
How do pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting changes impact one’s relationship with clothes and sense of style?
Biek Speijk
Yeah, massively, I would say. And, of course, I speak from experience. I think, in general, our wardrobes change as our life changes. But especially during pregnancy, you know, your body changes. I don’t think it’s only a physical thing. But I think it’s also a mindset thing. And having your first child is a massive lifestyle change, even though you know that intellectually when you’re pregnant. It’s so different when that baby is finally there.
Angela Neo
100%.
Biek Speijk
So, there [are] just so many things that you need to work with the hormones; your body is not back to its old self if it ever goes back to its old self. Then you also change as a person, and what you find important [changes].
There’s this whole level of practicality that comes whether you’re breastfeeding or need to go to the playground at some point or walking around in the stroller, you suddenly find that certain clothes don’t fit or suit you anymore. So those are all small changes where your body changes, but your wardrobe doesn’t reflect that at a certain point anymore.
Angela Neo
It’s so true. I was reflecting on [this] because I knew we were chatting today. Before I had my children, you would never see me in flat shoes. Unless I was at the beach, I always wore high heels because I am quite short. After I had the boys, it made no practical sense! Imagine going to the playground in three-inch heels, four-inch heels!
And then I don’t like wearing heels anymore because I’m also not used to it. But I am starting to understand and appreciate comfort. So I still care about what I wear and how I look, but it’s changed very much since I’ve had the kids. I still have those high heels in the cupboard.
Biek Speijk
Yeah.
Angela Neo
Some of them [heels] no longer, and I’ll put them on every now and then. And it’s really difficult to walk. Or it’s only for a special occasion where I know I will only be wearing them for a certain period. But then, I wouldn’t say that my style has fundamentally changed. It’s just my footwear has changed quite considerably.
Biek Speijk
Yeah. But then, sometimes, it also comes with a feeling of guilt or seeing an older version of yourself. This is also what often happens, where you say, ‘I don’t have anything to wear’, and realistically, you don’t because it’s not aligned with how you live your life anymore. But, sometimes, it’s hard to pinpoint because it’s been very much a part of your life previously.
Angela Neo
Now, walk us through your style personality test. What’s it all about? How does the test help your clients?
Biek Speijk
Yeah, so the style personality test is something [I do with my clients] at the end of our journey. I work with my clients for 30 days. We work on a mindset change. We look at your wardrobe from different angles and your behaviour. The last part is a style personality test.
Based on my experience in the industry, I’ve defined four style personalities. [First,] we have the classics. They like timeless pieces. It’s often blues and whites and those kinds of tones. Then we have the romantics. So, those are a little more feminine style, with a little detail like a little fringe or pastel, softer colours and boho.
Then, we have the gender neutrals, they go for comfort. Comfort is their main aesthetic. These women don’t mind shopping in the men’s department. So it’s just all about comfort, again to timeless pieces. So, this style personality overlaps with the classics. And then, last but not least, the stylist. So [they] can take all the attention. They like to combine bold colours and prints and are fashionable.
Usually, you’re a combination of two or more. You could be one style personality by day and another by night. But often you have influences from all of them. So I’ve developed a short test. And then, for my clients, I create this guide based on our whole journey. This guide is also aligned with their style personalities, which is a unique combination, a mood board and some brands that are aligned with their style. It helps them just as a final touch for conscious consumerism. So [they can just go] into a shop, and they can skip certain parts because, you know, it’s not a part of them. You have a deeper understanding of why certain items are in your wardrobe.
Angela Neo
What does a confident closet look like?
Biek Speijk
Yeah, so the confident closet is what you get when working with me. [It is] what I believe in, which we already touched upon in our conversation. It’s about [having a] high awareness of how you want to feel and have that expressed in your wardrobe. So a confident closet is aligned with how you live your life, how you want to feel, how you want to express yourself and have the confidence and the empowerment to make those choices yourself.
Because we look at things from different angles, you understand what your core items are, so where can you level up on quality? What are your accent pieces? So you know, you don’t need many of those, but just really good ones. And you know exactly the style of dress you have for certain occasions in your life. That is just 100% reflected in your wardrobe. And that means you have something to wear with confidence every day.
Angela Neo
I also think there’s this thing where we start to question whether we can wear things as well. So if they’re appropriate now that I’m, I hate to say now, I’m a mother, but now I’m older than I was, ‘can I wear that?’ I see what my younger colleagues or my younger family members wear, and I’m like, ‘that looks cool.’ I’d like to wear that. But then there’s a part of me that goes, ‘oh, I’m, you know, a mom of two. I’m in my 40s. Is it appropriate for me?’ What would do you think about that?
Biek Speijk
Yeah, I think these are valid questions to ask. I think that’s trying not to think too much about the outside world, but [finding out] what do you feel comfortable in?
Angela Neo
Yeah.
Biek Speijk
I don’t think it’s much of an age thing, but rather the label you put on it and how you wear it, right? Because I think once you wear it with confidence, because you just feel good in it, whatever it is, it doesn’t matter what age it is for, because people will see you wearing clothes rather than the clothes wearing you. I think when the clothes are wearing you, then something is misaligned.
Angela Neo
Yes. You can see it in you. You can see it in celebrities or people on the street. You can tell when they’re comfortable [with] what they’re wearing. And when they’re feeling uncomfortable or less.
Biek Speijk
Yeah. They followed a trend they saw on Instagram, and they ordered it, and thought, ‘well, this is supposed to be cool. So I’m gonna be cool.’ But you can see that they don’t feel cool. So it’s a different way of dressing.
Angela Neo
How about in terms of our mental health? Does mental health and psychological well-being play a part in one’s confidence and relationship with clothes?
Biek Speijk
Yeah, absolutely. I’m not a psychiatrist. But I believe there’s a psychology rooted in clothes because clothes are an expression of how you feel. And, whether [you] like it or not, people will judge you based on what you’re wearing in a few seconds. So your clothes speak for you.
And, again, you can see when somebody is uncomfortable. They will be uncomfortable in their clothes. You will feel and sense that, which will create an opinion about them. Whether true or false, I think there’s a fine line. But I think when I walked in, you also looked at somebody and what they wear.
I believe you can dress yourself from the inside out. There’s also a certain level of power dressing, or [whatever you] want to call it. Maybe you feel a bit meh in the morning. But you do know how you want to feel and then you dress that way and, you know, maybe your shoulders are a little bit more backwards when you wear that certain dress or…
Angela Neo
Bit of lipstick does it…
Biek Speijk
Yes, exactly.
Angela Neo
What strategies can parents use to adapt their wardrobe and accommodate body shape and lifestyle changes?
Biek Speijk
Yeah, I think it’s important to be aware of where you are in your body. For example, for me currently being pregnant, or anybody pregnant right now, I wouldn’t necessarily buy a full new wardrobe. Because [my body’s] going to change, right? This baby is going to come out. And the body is going to change in whatever shape or form.
So, for pregnant women, be aware that this is a short time and just try to wait, extend, and re-wear other clothes as long as possible. I think the most important thing is just getting back to the roots of how you want to feel your clothes.
So, what makes you feel comfortable? Is it a certain fabric? Is it a certain fit? Do you like lower necklines or higher necklines? It’s just an awareness of the small things. That is also what I help my clients with, making it easier to tap into the certain clothes you want to wear and making more conscious choices going forward.
Angela Neo
Yeah. You’ve said you don’t believe in style rules, dressing according to body types, or finding the right tones for your skin. So, how do you help your clients examine their relationship with clothes?
Biek Speijk
Yeah. So, I know this is a bit controversial. And I also know some of my clients like to hold on to those rules or like to know what they should do.
Angela Neo
Yeah, so I am pear-shaped, and I should wear this.
Biek Speijk
Yeah, right. And I get it. But I don’t believe it helps you so much when you know how to dress for a pear shape or when you know that pastel is not so nice on your face. Because maybe you love your pastel dress. You love the fabric and the fit, and you feel great in it. So it looks great on you. That’s what I believe in.
And I also find it very limiting. So I’ve never liked when people tell me what to do. So it’s probably also coming from not living up to those rules, [because] I find it very limiting and restricting. So, for example, if you have paperback waist pants, you must always have this certain top tucked in. So then you have one outfit in your wardrobe that you can wear, and you always wear that combination; I find that boring and restricting.
Angela Neo
Yeah.
Biek Speijk
But as long as you know, ‘okay, I don’t like my belly fat. So then I can either wear my pants a little bit lower or a dress with a certain waistline.’ If you know those kinds of tweaks rather than certain outfits that fit your body shape, I think that gives you way more empowerment in how you want to dress and how your whole wardrobe is a possibility, and that there are versatile items rather than having two outfits that fit you exactly.
Angela Neo
Yeah. I do think it’s so right. What’s the point of these rules? Isn’t fashion about being creative and trying new things? And I know certain things in my wardrobe probably don’t go together. But when I put them on, they look great, I feel good about it. So why not? But then it’s probably totally against all the rules and not in style now.
Biek Speijk
But if you look and feel great, that’s what it’s all about. And it’s playing with your clothes because, in the end, they are garments made by people for people, and you enjoy putting them together. That’s what it’s all about.
Angela Neo
And the other thing I’ve noticed is the older I get, all the fashions keep coming back.
Biek Speijk
Yes. So, just hold on to it.
Angela Neo
I should have kept all my clothes from the 90s as a teenager because I just see them everywhere on the street now. What about fast fashion? Do you think it has a place in everyone’s closets?
Biek Speijk
Yeah, so I don’t mind fast fashion. Of course, I don’t like the whole idea. I’ve been part of it as a designer. So, I’ve already seen how much waste there is on a design level. So yes, that’s horrific.
But I believe if you know what you’re looking for, if you know what you need, and are not shopping with tons of bags, stepping out of Zara, but going for that one dress that you need for that wedding, or for a certain occasion that you think, ‘yeah, I just need a certain cotton dress with a long sleeve and this neckline because I feel comfortable in that.’ And you find that at Zara, and therefore you wear it for a long time. I have nothing against that because it’s convenient to find something in Zara, but it’s just about buying it with a better conscience, I guess.
Angela Neo
Yeah, just thinking about how many times I will wear it.
Biek Speijk
Yeah. And not just mindless shopping and buying everything you like.
Angela Neo
Yeah. And then what about designer items? Yes [or] no? Should we have them? Should we invest in them?
Biek Speijk
Yeah, so again, because I’ve also been on that side of the design industry, I truly believe it’s designed with a different intention. It’s usually better fabrics and nicer finishes, not always, because it’s also to be found in fast fashion or somewhere in the middle.
But I do want to question the designer bags, and I love designer bags, so nothing against that. But the ones with the monogram logos, whatever brand it is. Do you love the bag? Do you want people to see that you can afford it?
Angela Neo
Yes. Well, this is the thing that has happened with handbags and shoes in particular, because I’ve always loved looking at those things. It wasn’t as common for people to have those kinds of things for a long time.
And now it does feel a little like that, doesn’t it? It’s a bit of a status symbol versus an ‘I love fashion.’ And I’ve saved up for ages for this bag because I love the look of it. It’s more that ‘I want a YSL bag because everyone else has one,’ and it’ll be like a thing.
Biek Speijk
Yeah, and you can see that you’re part of the tribe.
Angela Neo
It’s interesting, isn’t it? And how does one let go of harmful shopping habits? What tips do you have to share for those of us who perhaps do too much impulse buying or buy everything online? And then it comes in, it’s not what you expected? What are some tips to break some of those habits?
Biek Speijk
Yeah. So I think if you want to change that, change comes from awareness. So, we need to go one step back. If things go wrong with shopping all the time, if you feel like you need to return everything, take a step back. The answer is not in buying more.
Angela Neo
No.
Biek Speijk
So where’s the answer? Try to find where your daily comfort is. What do you love to wear every day? What do you do most in a week? Maybe that’s easier to think about? If you are mostly with your kids during the week, what do you wear? Why?
Try for a week to gain that awareness of what feels comfortable. And try to tap into: ‘do I need more of this? Do I have enough of this? Is this always in the laundry? And why is that?’ So, just trying to go back to what you find important? I think that’s where the real change will happen.
Angela Neo
Do you think it’s true, I read somewhere, that you only ever use 5% of your closet at any one time? So you’ll have all these things. But we’re creatures of routine in so much of what we do. So we keep selecting from that small part of our wardrobe. I do it and try to break out of it and go, ‘you’re not allowed to wear anything you wore last week,’ just so that I don’t waste all these other things in my closet and give them some love.
Biek Speijk
I think, in general, you only wear 20% of your wardrobe. There’s a core of favourites. This is also why I created the inner circle of your wardrobe. So, I believe it’s [made] of core essentials and accents. And that balance is different for everyone.
But I think once you’re aware of that balance, so your core items are usually five to 10 items. Your essentials are the biggest chunk. And then your accents are the smaller percentage. But most women find the accents most fun to shop for.
Angela Neo
Yes, those are the fun items.
Biek Speijk
Like a party frock or the sequins or big flowers, but those will bring your wardrobe out of balance. And also makes you feel guilty because you are using the core items the most.
Angela Neo
But yeah, that is cool. [They] can be a little more cost effective sometimes, right? Yeah. The accents are usually more expensive.
Biek Speijk
Yeah. Yeah.
Angela Neo
Now tell us more about the Biekindle. Don’t skimp on any of the details.
Biek Speijk
Okay. So, Biekindle combines my name, Biek, and the word ‘rekindle’. Rekindle stands for having a feeling of the past. It comes from a T-shirt that I loved to death. It was just worn out and couldn’t be repaired. I thought I didn’t want to throw it away. I cannot donate it, I want to hang it on the wall.
But it’s like torn up to pieces. All through art school, I’ve always collaged a lot with magazines. I wanted to take it apart and put it back together. This is the other side of my business, where I create art from clothes that have memories.
So, it has several series that have several aspects. So, the first part is making textile paintings, basically from clothes with memories or sentimental value. As a wardrobe creator, I hate having clothes in your wardrobe that you don’t wear but want to hold on to them. As an artist and a designer, I don’t like the idea of a beautiful garment sitting in a box. So, I combined those two ideas into putting something on the wall instead.
So you can still enjoy those memories, the workmanship and the details but not have it as an actual garment. The other series comes from clothes that cannot be resold but still have nice colours or the fabrics are nice. I’ve turned them into sculptures or mobiles. So, just to celebrate the beauty of clothes and fashion while still honouring the workmanship and reducing textile waste.
Angela Neo
How long will it take to make a piece?
Biek Speijk
That depends. Sometimes, it immediately speaks to me, and I know what to do. It also may depend on the level of detail [in the piece]. So I was recently commissioned to make art out of a T-shirt that didn’t have many details, so I need to use a neckline and a sleeve to tap into the fact it’s a T-shirt or that it’s been a T-shirt. However, with other pieces, that could be chino pants with back pockets or jeans with many details, so I might need to puzzle that around. I just wait for that click to happen.
Angela Neo
Yeah, very cool. Now, do you have any plans to include dads or men in your styling and everything you do?
Biek Speijk
Not necessarily. Because I think, for women, there are more emotions in clothes than in men. Also, seeing what happens in my man’s wardrobe, which is so small. And he still needs my help with putting his clothes together for work the next day.
Angela Neo
You are a resource at home who’s very talented. So it would be quite easy to be like, ‘just sort me out.’
Biek Speijk
So if there are men who are interested, then they can reach out. But I think they have fewer categories to choose from in clothes. It’s just simpler. You know, a T-shirt, shorts, long pants or shirts. Those are the categories you have to play with.
And we, as women, have so many different styles, including jumpsuits, dresses, and tank tops. Then there’s this whole body change and hormones coming into place. I feel like, and I might be wrong, some men feel very not seen by me. If they feel like they need some help, then definitely reach out. But I think it’s just a bit more layered to make certain clothing decisions for women.
Angela Neo
So we all want to know what’s in your wardrobe. What’s your favourite piece of clothing? One thing that you own that you think we should all have in our closets?
Biek Speijk
Alright. Yeah, so maybe it’s fun to start with my style personality. So I’m a classic with a gender-neutral for sure. So comfort is the most important word for my wardrobe. It’s filled with many whites, light blue, navy, and anthracite. I have nothing black somehow.
Although when I was just pregnant with this baby girl, I suddenly bought a black jumpsuit, where I already thought like, I think something was happening in my body. I have many clothes I’ve kept for 10-15 years. So it’s timeless, aligned with the classic style personality. At the moment, I am very much into sets.
Angela Neo
Yes!
Biek Speijk
Maybe it comes from my son because he has these fun sets with, you know, shorts in it and a T-shirt that fits with it. I just find it so fun and easy. I’m kind of copying it.
Angela Neo
Yeah.
Biek Speijk
I’m not sure if I have something like that. I would love to say that everyone should have the perfect white T-shirt in their wardrobe or a little black dress. But that’s one of those style rules that I want to stay away from.
What I find important [is] that everyone should have an awareness of what they feel comfortable in. What is your go-to dress? What [are] your go-to shorts? Embrace that. But also try to tap into that feeling that most of your garments and make sure that at least 80% of your clothes give you that feeling. That’s how you should feel every day in all your clothes.
Angela Neo
Biek, thank you so much for joining us today. I’m inspired to go back and look through my closet now. And find out which one of your style types I am. Thank you so much for joining us. This has been wonderful.
Biek Speijk
Thank you for having me.
Angela Neo
Thank you, Biek, for our chat today. I am now joined by our podcast producer, Suf, to chat a little about today’s episode. Hey Suf.
Sufyan Saad
Hello!
Angela Neo
So, what did you learn from today’s episode?
Sufyan Saad
I like the phrase Biek brought up during your chat where she said, ‘change comes from awareness.’ It’s important to have that in mind, particularly when you’re thinking about refreshing your wardrobe or changing your style.
Because if you’re not aware, you will tend to have or adopt these unsustainable shopping habits; you will find things you might not end up wearing, and they’ll just sit in your closet until they turn dusty and grey. So that’s a good quote. I don’t necessarily think the episode is for me because I’m very confident in my style.
Angela Neo
Yes
Sufyan Saad
Biek has also mentioned that men don’t have a lot when it comes to wardrobes and closets. I know what I like. I’ve always been familiar with [how I want to dress], and I always make sure to wear everything I have in my closet, so this episode may not necessarily be for me, but I think it will help mums find inspiration.
Angela Neo
One thing we didn’t discuss in depth is that your body changes so much when you have a baby. It does take about a year, and so I have had friends who have thrown out all those lovely things or given away all those lovely things that were in their closet thinking, ‘I’ll never wear them again,’ and then they just didn’t give themselves enough time to see whether they would.
And you’ve just got to remember to be kind to yourselves. With both my boys, it took me a year to [return] to where I was [regarding] how I felt about myself. I didn’t go on any scales or take measurements, but it took about a year after all the breastfeeding, and those things suddenly feel me again and thinking more about clothes less from the practical side, which is ‘you’ve got to feed your baby’ and all that to more ‘what do I feel like wearing today’ and being liberated again to make those decisions based on what I want to wear and not what’s practical.
Sufyan Saad
Exactly, that’s where you also find confidence in what you’re wearing. You also brought up two very valid points that this applies to mothers, especially because they’re the ones who are giving birth. For fathers, we’re just there for the journey, but we’re not the ones who are giving birth.
Angela Neo
No, your style can stay the same.
Sufyan Saad
Yeah, style can stay the same, and another thing I like that you brought up is that you have to be kind to yourself.
Angela Neo
Yes.
Sufyan Saad
I think that’s the most important thing everyone must remember when it comes to this sort of thing. So, Ange, you mentioned earlier that your style changed. Previously, you were into heels, and now you’re wearing flats. Besides that, how has your style changed before and after pregnancy and marriage?
Angela Neo
Well, it’s funny. I don’t think it’s changed a lot in terms of the fact that I’ve always loved clothes. It has always been important to me to feel good about what I wear and choose what I will wear. I like to try on a few different things before I am ready to leave the house for the day when I have time.
My style changed a lot when they were newborns because it was more about wearing pregnancy jeans and those tops that could allow you to feed your baby. The major thing is I don’t wear heels anymore unless I’m going out. I’ve bought more sensible heels.
Before children, I always had massive heels, and I was quite proud of my collection of shoes. I do think my style always changes, and now that the 90s are back, I find myself wearing a lot more of these oversized jackets and no more skinny jeans in my closet, so I suppose my style continues to evolve, but I always enjoy dressing myself, and that hasn’t changed pre or post kids.
Sufyan Saad
You’ve declared yourself as Carrie Bradshaw, is it? Does it still remain the same, or has it changed now?
Angela Neo
Yeah, it’s changed! When you’re in your 20s, and you don’t have children, and you’re earning a salary, you can spend more on those kinds of things, and after you have children, your priorities shift. It’s about ‘do I take a holiday?’ or ‘do I go crazy on all these clothes?’
Sufyan Saad
Can I afford that designer?
Angela Neo
Exactly. Why would I spend all that money if I only wear it once? So yeah, it’s changed, but it’s always evolving. I’m still as interested, I guess, is the point. Well, that’s it for this episode of Growing Pains. Suf, thanks for chatting today.
Sufyan Saad
Thank you.
Angela Neo
Thanks for listening, everyone, and we will see you next time.
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